2x (2nd Time) Only in Repeats

[rrayner]

Thank you very much, David. I changed the sample a little by first setting the volume level for the entire baritone part to 71, then setting the volume level to 1, starting at beat 4 in measure 1 through to the next-to-last note in measure 3. This works great and exports cleanly. I also changed the baritone to be a harmony part. It's a little bit easier to hear the entrance of the baritone this way. I also added one measure at the end, just to make the sample sound a little bit more complete.

Ralph

[rrayner]

Well, Sherry, David and others -- I was feeling pretty good about my workaround for this problem, but I raised another condition which makes my solution not work.

In the attached snippet, I wanted the tenor sax to solo through the first time through the repeat, and the three horn brass choir to join in on the second time through. I set the choir to volume level 1 using GraphOverNotes for measures 2 through 16; then changed the volume level of the choir to 79 in measure 17, hoping the repeat would activate the volume. Didn't work -- the choir stayed on break.

Of course, in the original example I submitted, there were notes in the first ending that I wanted to sound, so my volume level change was associated with a note in that case. So, in this example, as I don't have a note to tie to the volume change in measure 17, I guess volume never gets triggered.

Any suggestions?

Ralph

[Sherry C]

Hi Ralph,

Entering such MIDI performance tricks is indeed a bit tricky The key here is (1) where you enter the volume change and (2) the order you do the volume settings because they are entered as "events' in the hidden MIDI event list.

To get the effect you're after, you'll need to have the volume 79 kick in somewhere before the end of the "Note on" event in measure 16 (you did this in the first snippet you shared in this thread, so it worked perfectly). In the snippet you have here, the volume change occurs after the note-off (end of the note) event. In messing around with your file this seemed to be a necessary condition.

You'll also want to make sure that the initial Vol 1 event happens before the beginning of measure 2, so that it doesn't negate the volume event at the end of the passage.

Each beat gets 480 "ticks". When I did the following, I was able to get the effect that you are after:

1. Click the Staff Select button for Trumpet 1 and set the volume to 79 using the "96" button in GraphOverNotes.
2. Select a region for Trumpet 1 of Measure 1 beat 4 tick 470 through measure 16 beat 4 tick 477.
3. In GraphOverNotes/Volume, set the volume to 1 using the "96" button.
4. Lather, rinse, repeat for the other choir staves, or if you want the same volume settings just copy/paste the graph to the other staves.

Now, though, is a puzzlement to me that the notes in measure 16 for the choir staves don't sound even though the other prior notes do. That we will have to investigate....

ttfn,
Sherry

[rrayner]

Thank you, Sherry. Perhaps you know this already, but the workaround did nothing for playing within Composer. The choir stayed silent throughout. The midi version was what I am looking for.

I did not experience the measure 16 puzzlement you mention in midi.

Ralph

[Sherry C]

Hi Ralph,

Originally Posted by rrayner

Thank you, Sherry. Perhaps you know this already, but the workaround did nothing for playing within Composer. The choir stayed silent throughout. The midi version was what I am looking for.

Yeah, but this way you get it in Composer AND the MIDI export

I did not experience the measure 16 puzzlement you mention in midi.

But for your purposes, did the method I mention give you the desired result? That is the question. If so, then all is well. If not, then more to be done....

ttfn,
Sherry

[dj]

Hi, guys:

The attached version of Ruffo's Lament works for me in both .not and .mid format.

The problem lay in that there were a couple of superfluous "Volume 1" events in the muted tracks that negated the raising of the volume level at the repeat. I used the eraser tool to scrub over the low volume areas and make sure there were no extra events there.

I also made sure that the volume down events were in the middle of the "silent" bar 1, and then that the volume raise events happened in the middle of the 1st ending bar. That way nothing will get skipped.

Hope that helps.

David

[rrayner]

Originally Posted by dj

The attached version of Ruffo's Lament works for me in both .not and .mid format. David

Thanks, David. I responded to Sherry's reply before I saw yours was there.

Your version works very well, but when playing it back in Composer, the choir goes silent in measure 17. Not so in the midi, where all choir measures play as intended.

I am embarrassed to say that you are way over my head in your descriptions of events, and I don't understand all of what you say, but I will continue to try. I wouldn't know where to start to try to scrub an event. Time to dig into Mark's and Sherry's wondrous User's Guide.

Note to Sherry: Searching for "eraser tool" in the online UG yields no results -- should it?

Ralph

[rrayner]

Originally Posted by Sherry C

Yeah, but this way you get it in Composer AND the MIDI export
But for your purposes, did the method I mention give you the desired result? That is the question. If so, then all is well. If not, then more to be done....Sherry

Hi Sherry,

Well, the midi did work and the visual in Composer worked, however the audio did not work in Composer -- the choir remained silent throughout. Thank you.

Ralph

[dj]

Hi, Ralph:

See my post just above your latest post. I think that will solve your dilemma.

David